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Poster: clashcity Date: Mar 12, 2014 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Neil's Pono Player

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1003614822/ponomusic-where-your-soul-rediscovers-music

Is this just self-serving, egotistical snobbery?

A ploy by the major music labels and others to get out from under Apple's iTunes nonsense?

Is this finally something that isn't in a hurry /race to the bottom of mediocrity?

Is there any science to say this is truly better or is it just a placebo effect because if the file is 24 bit it has to be better quality?

I'm a Neil fan and even if there is some pretension (whatever) wrapped up in this at least its guided in a better direction than say - The Stones with their $5000 concert tickets and blasphemous renditions of Bob Wills is Still The King (I refuse to provide a link, if you want to hurt your ears you know what to do).

I dig this thing even if I am not a very mobile music listener.

Thoughts?

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Mar 13, 2014 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

This is yet ANOTHER death-blow to electronics workers (and clothing workers, or any production-line workers)! Why is no one else discussing this aspect?

PonoPlayer's production facility looks like a disgusting concentration-camp full of slave-workers!
"We plan to build 50 additional units for more testing. Once we are fully satisfied with our final design we will be moving from our current engineering build environment in California to a pre-production facility at PCH International in Shenzhen. We will then work with PCH to build out the final assembly line, install the test equipment, and do two more builds before beginning production."

PCH International's history [ source: Wikipedia ]
"PCH was founded in Cork, Ireland, by CEO Liam Casey in 1996. Corporate headquarters are located in Cork while operational headquarters are in Shenzhen, South China, with US headquarters in San Francisco. The development of PCH saw activity across the globe from Donoughmore, Co. Cork in Ireland to Shenzhen, Guangdong Province in China. Liam Casey started his career in fashion retail with Tricot Marine, moving to the United States to work for a trading company, before finally landing in Shenzhen, China. The company was named after the Pacific Coast Highway, in memory of Casey's time living in California. During his time in the United States, Casey worked for a trading company that imported from China. After visiting the country and witnessing the quality and work ethic of Chinese manufacturers, he spotted an opportunity to match Chinese manufacturing with western markets. In 2007, Liam Casey was named Ernst & Young Irish Entrepreneur of the Year."

reference material: Homeless in Silicon Valley

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Poster: clashcity Date: Mar 13, 2014 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

I think the reason is that we are past the point of return.

The unions are nearly gone, the cost of goods and quality has been driven down so far and people are so used to it that to turn back now would be a massive disruption.

Would be the right thing to do, I believe so. But does that make it logical or even possible - I do not think so at all.

Life's not fair. Get a helmet and adapt.

Also - it's not like this company is some well established US manufacturing powerhouse that is moving it's entire operation overseas.

I'd focus my energy on this front to - http://www.usuncut.org/targets

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 12, 2014 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

I would love to see (hear?) a higher standard for storage of music, than 16 bit, or the disgraceful mp3 standard . It would be nice to someday have something as rich as analog, with the clarity of digital . I would be happy, if 24 bit, or DSD, or Pono or whatever gets accepted and we treat the sound of music(no Julie Andrews jokes ...) with a little the respect that our technology can provide .
I think it is oddly funny that our clunky,funky old Grateful Dead tapes, get loving care and treatment by Charlie Miller etc., some time at 24/96 resolution, (something to be proud of ) while so much of the rest of the music world is stuck with just mp3 .
Cult conductor Sergiu Celibidache, refused to issue commercial recordings of his performances, he said that a record of a performance, is like "sleeping with a photograph of Brigitte Bardot" (you can tell the vintage of that comment ). A mp3 of a orchestral performance is like sleeping with a bad b&w 80's Xerox of (insert name...) .
Seriously , I suspect this will not become mainstream . People just don't care that much about music, and especially its reproduction of it, these days . How many hi-Fi stores do you see around ? Hope I'm wrong . We need to treat music better .

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 13, 2014 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

Agreed that this will have a hard time getting traction with the mainstream. True audiophiles will certainly get on board, but the masses? I doubt it, at least in the short term. When, and if, the cost of purchasing music in amazing quality comes way down along with that of a player that can store the huge amounts of data required for these files we could see this take off, but right now it's going to purely be for a very select audience.

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Poster: SaintSteveg Date: Mar 13, 2014 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

I don't mean to come across as a barbarian, but I guess I fall into the "mainstream" mentioned above. The nuances of super audiophile listening are lost on me I'm afraid. Maybe I have become desensitized. I just like to be moved and enjoy the music, rock out if you will. I like the convenience of iTunes, iPod, etc.

I recall running into a friend of mine who is a sound tech, and we were talking about a local theater where we hear shows (he used to work there), and he said the sound was so bad in there. I replied "I guess you know more about that than I do. I just go to have a good time." That is how I hear music. I can understand someone like Neil Young being bugged that he only hears a small percentage of the original, but I never hear the original, so what am I missing?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 13, 2014 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

Yeah, back in the day I used to spend every available nickel on my sound system and I'm pretty sure that if I had the same equipment available today I'd be able to notice the difference between file formats. Today is a different story. As life began to load more and more responsibilities on me (without the corresponding increase in cash flow), I found my sound system, as well as the time available to actually sit and listen to it, shrinking at an alarming rate (if anyone inserts an off-color remark here...good on you). These days the majority of my listening is done in my vehicle where the ability to notice the difference between data formats is lost on my aging ears and the sound of traffic. In a perfect world I'd be able to recreate my sound room and devote hours on end immersed in the full and glorious majesty of the highest sound quality money could buy. That aint gonna happen any time soon. So, in the meantime, I'm satisfied with my "low-fi" collection.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Mar 13, 2014 7:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

I concur as well.. but at least there is a better option out there for those that actually care.

And to address the space demands the Pono Player allows for interchangeable SD Cards rather than fixed storage size.

128GB active at any one time on the player and you could have a bunch of 64GB SD Cards in your pocket, bag, etc to pop in there.

No matter though because slick marketing and sheep mentality will keep everyone corralled into Apple's walled garden.

I contend that Apple has done more ruin fidelity and music in general than anyone else.

This post was modified by clashcity on 2014-03-13 14:17:07

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Mar 13, 2014 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

The real competition is to see how many songs can get crammed into said amount of memory. Having 5000 mediocre sounding garbage I-tunes loaded on the device is the most important thing for the tone deaf generation. Just like having 1000 assbook friends is more important than having a few real breathing face to face friends - oh how awkward that must be to actually have to interact with a person right there.

They seem to be keeping count of the sheer numbers - quantity over quality at all times. Bigger is always better, even when talking about tumors?

Anything better than MP3 sounds wrong to these folks, like something is wrong with the sound, it doesn't aggravate them and cause them to get squirrelly.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Mar 13, 2014 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

To borrow a phrase from craven....that Bieber ass hat from north of the border has put his thumbprint all over ruining music in general too.....

Like a wrecking ball....

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 13, 2014 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Neil's Pono Player

I am Mac guy , but not a fan of what they have done to music . Another thing that hurts this is the sort of people that would care, are old enough to remember when music was a life changing experience , or those intrepid archeologists exploring music before they were born . Sorry to be the old man, but I't not just me not liking new music , but look, music is not a big deal anymore . In just about all forms of music, the evolution has stopped . The figures that dominated all genres have stopped coming .
Who wants to drop the cash to hear Lady Gaga in high def ?
One hopeful sign is the vinyl trend . I'm not a part of it , but if you have only heard your music on mp3, and you hear that music in the fullness of a record , if you love music, you are going to have your mind blown .
Good luck Neil .